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    Top Gear bullshits a 1/2 mile drag race - Tesla Model 3 Performance vs. BMW F80 M3 vs. Mercedes-AMG W205 C63 S vs. Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio

    Top Gear decided to compare four popular performance sport sedans in a straight line. The straight line game being the main game for Teslas. At least Top Gear recognizes this and they made the drag race longer so as not to tailor it to the low end torque strength of electric cars like others do to make a headline.

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    A 1/2 mile is more like it. Yet, Top Gear still fudged the whole thing for fake drama.

    Now, the Tesla gets a huge lead and it does not look like any of the other cars truly launched. This is obviously sensationalized which is a bit lame.

    Right on cue the Mercedes-AMG C63 S starts to run the Tesla down. It is a photo finish. A manufactured photo finish.

    You're better than this Top Gear. Also try including some actual performance metrics for the cars involved.

    Don't insult our intelligence.


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    Yea, not too much of a good race. I would imagine they make a couple of takes and chose the best one, guess not. No trap speeds either, lame.
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    My opinion is now that Chris Harris is a fraud. Top Gear is also a fraud. Tesla is most certainly IMO a fraud. I came to your site just to ensure you caught this nonsense too. Unreal they get away this this garbage over and over.

    Is he really buying one (mentioned in the article), or was he given the car to write/promote this garbage article? Who knows, as I am sure he had to sign an NDA just to review it.

    I seriously do not understand how not a single person has been able to produce a *real test* of this car, and show that it it utter marketing rubbish.

    The cars didn't even leave the line. I am not going to bite this line. Let's just start with a review where we can see the car go 130 MPH for 30 minutes straight with some braking and cornering - and watch the 4 gallons of equivalent gasoline burn up on the battery charge indicator before our eyes.

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    Is this show even relevant anymore LOL? Get Amazon Prime...

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    Then you haven't looked very hard.

    1) there has been a professional test done with randy probst driving where it convincingly beat a bmw m3 comp around willow springs.

    I can't find a single test where the m3 has beaten the model 3p in either a straight line or a circuit.

    Imo for real world testing a 1/4 mile race is still the best indicator of street performance. First 1/8 mile for traction and power down and 2nd 1/8th for top end. If you can't run someone down in a 1/4mile straight its pretty irrelevant on the streets above that.

    There has also been plenty of 40 to 50mph rolling races where the tesla jumps to a 3+ car lead and the petrolncars eventually reel it in above 130. Relevant for highway runs only, irrelevant on the street and on most circuits.

    Also there is several videos on yt where a model 3 does 40+ mins at 200kph on the autobahn. Yes it uses the battery fast, but about the same as any other 500 to 700hp sedan at those speeds.

    The model 3p is not all things to all people but you have to give credit where credit is due.

    The cars performance is real, and while ev's have a while to go for complete market penetration, you cannot objectively say they are a fraud.

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    They are fast off the line but 100-200 in 11.57 is pretty disappointing, even a 340i is quicker.


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    I can see where the tesla is a big plus for the daily commute and general running around, but seriously this thing cant be beat for the price as a traffic light warrior which will suit around 95% of us whilst keeping our big dirty cities air cleaner.

    I'm actually all for it

    I'll never get rid of my petrol car and there are other options for renewable fuel, now will this be the next performance fuel ?

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...utral-science/
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Madchemist Click here to enlarge
    You Dont need the jb4 for that mppsk only should get you into low 11’s

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by martymil Click here to enlarge
    I can see where the tesla is a big plus for the daily commute and general running around, but seriously this thing cant be beat for the price as a traffic light warrior which will suit around 95% of us whilst keeping our big dirty cities air cleaner.

    I'm actually all for it

    I'll never get rid of my petrol car and there are other options for renewable fuel, now will this be the next performance fuel ?

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...utral-science/
    Its been a year since that article came out, anything new on it?

    Why not support our home grown USA corn based ethanol?

    More and more tuners are using it for its advantageous combustion properties already. Why not force automakers to make the stock oem tune be able to use it?

    Cleaner burning for greenies
    more power for tuners
    supports USA farmers

    win win win

    put a damn e85 pump at every station in the USA!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by martymil Click here to enlarge
    I can see where the tesla is a big plus for the daily commute and general running around, but seriously this thing cant be beat for the price as a traffic light warrior which will suit around 95% of us whilst keeping our big dirty cities air cleaner.

    I'm actually all for it

    I'll never get rid of my petrol car and there are other options for renewable fuel, now will this be the next performance fuel ?

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...utral-science/
    I'm actually waiting for better solution, i.e., hydrogen powered cars. Making a Tesla that could drive 250 miles range is 68% more polluted than making a gas powered car.

    That's not even taking into consideration where your power used to charge the car is generated from.....

    https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas...t-green-think/

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    I have a number of solar panels and my energy bill is almost zero as I almost make more than I use, getting a Tesla and a few more extra panels = cheap green running and here in oz we have an abundance of green solar energy
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    My opinion is now that Chris Harris is a fraud.
    He certainly sold out.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    Top Gear is also a fraud.
    100%. They would rather generate clicks than educate and show the real performance. Pisses me off.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    I came to your site just to ensure you caught this nonsense too. Unreal they get away this this garbage over and over.
    Did anyone else point it out?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Eleventeen Click here to enlarge
    Is this show even relevant anymore LOL? Get Amazon Prime...
    No but what sucks is people will watch this and then think the Tesla can match any of these cars in the 1/2 mile or beat them.

    It's a joke.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by martymil Click here to enlarge
    I can see where the tesla is a big plus for the daily commute and general running around, but seriously this thing cant be beat for the price as a traffic light warrior which will suit around 95% of us whilst keeping our big dirty cities air cleaner.

    I'm actually all for it

    I'll never get rid of my petrol car and there are other options for renewable fuel, now will this be the next performance fuel ?

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...utral-science/
    I'm all for it in the sense you stated too but I am 100% against misleading BS like what Top Gear put out. How can they stand by this garbage?

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    Its all about ratings and only the general public doesn't know any better.

    Take it for what it is, this new line of top gear hosts made me loose interest in the show at least with Matt LeBlanc it had half a chance
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Did anyone else point it out?
    Unfortunately not - I can't seem to find anyone that criticizes a Tesla (read: unbiased), publishes it and doesn’t get sued.

    The fact that the car has 75 kWh of energy should be the first red flag to people, but for some reason this is overlooked. One horsepower is equivalent to ~.75 kW, so under PERFECT conditions, assuming NO losses, the car could create 101 horsepower for exactly one hour before it’s 100% depleted.

    Let’s take that up a notch, and drive it how it’s “advertised” (comparing it against an M3, Porsche, E 63 AMG, any BMW, etc. is what bothers me) – and do an “average 202 horsepower Sunday drive” – which obviously is hard to think about, but at the same time, isn’t… This would be like taking an M3 to some canyon roads and going 7/10ths (and that’s giving credit) – in other words, using approximately half of the engine’s possible output while driving.
    Again, this is how they are comparing the cars – so let’s be fair…

    Oh, wait a minute! (or 30)

    If the user of this car drives it like this, they will have 30 minutes of battery (again, assuming there are no losses and the car is perfect) before the car is “out of gas” (batteries would be 100% depleted assuming that the car is rated without exaggeration and again has zero frictional losses, etc.).

    Now what?

    It’s funny how this isn’t ever mentioned as a “flaw”. I think EM is actually saying “you would have to be a fool not to buy one”, and I think this is hilarious. I personally would feel like a fool buying one, because in 30 minutes (the way I would actually drive the car) – I wouldn’t even be able to make it anywhere.


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by s13viper Click here to enlarge
    Also there is several videos on yt where a model 3 does 40+ mins at 200kph on the autobahn. Yes it uses the battery fast, but about the same as any other 500 to 700hp sedan at those speeds.

    The model 3p is not all things to all people but you have to give credit where credit is due.
    The review I want to see is someone going absolutely nuts (treating it just like you would treat a Porsche, M3, E 63 AMG - because they are now being compared, and even "beating" these) with it on an open road without traffic, and see how it actually fares out.

    I was fine with the car (sort of) until these ridiculous comparisons. Now people are going to actually think this is a comparable car to cars that are literally leap years better in every possible way, and throw their money in the garbage can (if they truly want an alternative sports car that will range out as advertised)

    Gasoline has the potential to deliver 33.4 kWh of energy PER GALLON. In other words, this Model 3 carries the energy equivalent of 2.25 gallons of gas. Think about that.

    The whole thing is just insane. Yes, it deserves credit - but like you said, where it is due. It is NOT DUE IMO if we are talking about it as a performance sedan. If we are talking about it as if it is being sold as a nice car that you can have fun with in the city (nothing more nothing less) and we quit throwing track comparisons in, etc. - then it deserves credit.

    It's the ridiculous comparisons that I consider fraudulent. These cars should never be compared. 2.5 gallons of gasoline, it's utter rubbish (if being talked about as a sports car). Otherwise, you are right - it deserves credit. It has come a long way in 10 years, much farther than almost any manufacturer I can think of in terms of "overall improvement". If they weren't being what I consider untruthful, the cars should sell themselves - I would question why these reviews are being pushed in our faces all the time.

    Cheers.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    Unfortunately not - I can't seem to find anyone that criticizes a Tesla (read: unbiased), publishes it and doesn’t get sued.

    The fact that the car has 75 kWh of energy should be the first red flag to people, but for some reason this is overlooked. One horsepower is equivalent to ~.75 kW, so under PERFECT conditions, assuming NO losses, the car could create 101 horsepower for exactly one hour before it’s 100% depleted.

    Let’s take that up a notch, and drive it how it’s “advertised” (comparing it against an M3, Porsche, E 63 AMG, any BMW, etc. is what bothers me) – and do an “average 202 horsepower Sunday drive” – which obviously is hard to think about, but at the same time, isn’t… This would be like taking an M3 to some canyon roads and going 7/10ths (and that’s giving credit) – in other words, using approximately half of the engine’s possible output while driving.
    Again, this is how they are comparing the cars – so let’s be fair…

    Oh, wait a minute! (or 30)

    If the user of this car drives it like this, they will have 30 minutes of battery (again, assuming there are no losses and the car is perfect) before the car is “out of gas” (batteries would be 100% depleted assuming that the car is rated without exaggeration and again has zero frictional losses, etc.).

    Now what?

    It’s funny how this isn’t ever mentioned as a “flaw”. I think EM is actually saying “you would have to be a fool not to buy one”, and I think this is hilarious. I personally would feel like a fool buying one, because in 30 minutes (the way I would actually drive the car) – I wouldn’t even be able to make it anywhere.




    The review I want to see is someone going absolutely nuts (treating it just like you would treat a Porsche, M3, E 63 AMG - because they are now being compared, and even "beating" these) with it on an open road without traffic, and see how it actually fares out.

    I was fine with the car (sort of) until these ridiculous comparisons. Now people are going to actually think this is a comparable car to cars that are literally leap years better in every possible way, and throw their money in the garbage can (if they truly want an alternative sports car that will range out as advertised)

    Gasoline has the potential to deliver 33.4 kWh of energy PER GALLON. In other words, this Model 3 carries the energy equivalent of 2.25 gallons of gas. Think about that.

    The whole thing is just insane. Yes, it deserves credit - but like you said, where it is due. It is NOT DUE IMO if we are talking about it as a performance sedan. If we are talking about it as if it is being sold as a nice car that you can have fun with in the city (nothing more nothing less) and we quit throwing track comparisons in, etc. - then it deserves credit.

    It's the ridiculous comparisons that I consider fraudulent. These cars should never be compared. 2.5 gallons of gasoline, it's utter rubbish (if being talked about as a sports car). Otherwise, you are right - it deserves credit. It has come a long way in 10 years, much farther than almost any manufacturer I can think of in terms of "overall improvement". If they weren't being what I consider untruthful, the cars should sell themselves - I would question why these reviews are being pushed in our faces all the time.

    Cheers.
    jesus christ

    look im no expert but you clearly have no clue what you are talking about

    Cheers?....im really hoping you were tipsy or better yet drunk when writing that.

    Is this normal behavior of EV haters? to not understand the technology AT ALL.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by martymil Click here to enlarge
    I have a number of solar panels and my energy bill is almost zero as I almost make more than I use, getting a Tesla and a few more extra panels = cheap green running and here in oz we have an abundance of green solar energy

    Since you brought up solar.... ;-)


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    Its got me stumped why tesla has not made the roof, bonnet and boot from solar panel technology to extend their range and top up their batteries whilst in traffic or generally standing still or parked.

    I'm all for electric cars as living in a major city like Sydney I see the pollution and the effects it has on some people that live with chronic asthma like one of my best friends.

    But i still love my car and I wish they made better fuel like the new fuel converted from c02 which looks very promising and the mini refinement stations can be placed anywhere in the world and even in the most remote areas.

    Fuel can be cheaper, much higher octane rating that is available today and no more or minimal petrol/gas tankers on the road.

    There are so many different ways we can still enjoy our gas guzzlers whilst doing better by our kids and environment.

    I'm NO tree loving hugger but I'm not blind what's happening to the earth and I'll try to do my bit.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
    jesus christ

    look im no expert but you clearly have no clue what you are talking about

    Cheers?....im really hoping you were tipsy or better yet drunk when writing that.

    Is this normal behavior of EV haters? to not understand the technology AT ALL.

    You say I have no clue what I am talking about, but then you point out no specific thing that is incorrect. Is this typical of EV lovers, just to dismiss anything they read unless it "sounds good"?

    Just start with the energy density - and let's say that it can regenerate (braking) 50% of it's losses through acceleration. This effectively doubles the energy capacity of the Tesla. Wow, now it has the gasoline equivalent of nearly 5 gallons!

    I don't get the cheers thing, so okay - sure, but I was and am sober.

    If you don't think I understand technology, you are mistaken.

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    New here, researching tuners for a recently purchased ICE car. We also have a Tesla M3P. There is quite a bit of miss information and half truths in this thread re electric cars, the comparative energy density, performance etc..


    First, stating that a gallon of gas has X amount of energy without talking about the other half, efficiency, is nonsense. Gas engine efficiency is ~20-35%. Electric motors are in the 80-90%. ...


    Some data from a cleantechnica article titled "electric-car-myth-buster-efficiency" that paints a different picture: (apparently too new here to post links)


    "In a recent post for Quora, Brian Feldman, a robotics expert and entrepreneur, offered this explanation: “Consider the Tesla Model S, which has an available 85 kWh battery and a 265 mile range. Consider a similar gas-powered car, which gets 35 mpg. Gasoline contains about 33 kWh of energy per gallon. The Tesla uses 320 Wh/mile of energy (85 kWh/265 miles). The gas powered car uses 940 Wh/mile of energy (33 kWh/35 miles). Once the energy is on board (not counting the efficiency of the power generation, oil refining, or charging), the Tesla is using only about a third as much energy as the comparable gasoline-powered car.”"


    The Tesla Model 3 has a gas equivalence of ~120 mpge when driven like a regular car, but can still do 0-60 in the low 3 second range and a quarter mile in the 11s. They are very quick and they dont hold a candle when compared to a Tesla Model S P100D that is a large 5000lb luxury sedan that will do 0-60 in 2.4 seconds and a quarter mile deep in the 10s totally stock on street tires with a full interior.


    There is plenty of additional data out there regarding their performance, and its still very early for electric cars.


    We have solar and virtually all of our electricity is generated with it, including charging the Model 3 that is driven roughly 20,000 miles a year. Charging on the road at a supercharger, will replenish ~ 80% of the range in less than 30 minutes which we virtually never need to do. Probably 95% of our Tesla’s electricity is generated by the solar on our house.


    My wife and I love our performance ICE cars, but the Model 3P is truly a blast to drive, and certainly not boring. Reality is electric cars are coming, the performance is real and Tesla is leading the pack by a WIDE margin.


    With that said, there is still a ways to go with electric cars with regards to cost and convenience, especially as it applies to longer trips. Even so, there is certainly a place for (performance) electric cars now.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DJB Click here to enlarge
    We have solar and virtually all of our electricity is generated with it, including charging the Model 3 that is driven roughly 20,000 miles a year. Charging on the road at a supercharger, will replenish ~ 80% of the range in less than 30 minutes which we virtually never need to do. Probably 95% of our Tesla’s electricity is generated by the solar on our house.


    My wife and I love our performance ICE cars, but the Model 3P is truly a blast to drive, and certainly not boring. Reality is electric cars are coming, the performance is real and Tesla is leading the pack by a WIDE margin.
    Great for you that you have solar panel and it works for you. It doesn't mean that it works for everyone else.

    And if you said driving an electric car is a blast then....more power to you.


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